"I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality. This is why right, temporarily defeated, is stronger than evil triumphant."Martin Luther King Jr.
cvj – Perhaps my sense of irony is off tonight, but do you really consider Trillanes and Lim to be heroes? I didn’t mind them at the time of Oakwood (and the arrest of General Garcia soon after the coup demonstrated the truth of their central claim that the military is rotten to the core) but this latest stunt is just ridiculous.
I went down to the Peninsula this evening at about 6pm and as I looked at all the military hanging around Ayala, the military renegades still locked up in the hotel, and the retired military men in the Arroyo government, I thought soldiers have far too much say in this country. The army is about twice the size it needs to be and it is sticking its hands in places where it has no business at all. The AFP needs to be halved and it needs to be completely banished from public life. Let it concentrate on what it has manifestly failed to do over the past decade—controlling terrorist groups like the Abu Sayyaf.
Trillanes and his gang are just another side of the same grubby coin – their victory can only lead to even more militarization in the Philippines which is the last thing we need.
Hi Torn, no irony from me this time. I do believe they are heroes. If anything can be said against them this time, is that they did not seem to be fighting to win.
"Technically that is not an arrest(i.e.,mass arrests and handcuffing of journalists covering the Trillanes story). That is a processing," Interior and Local Government Secretary Ronaldo Puno said.
"Oh Mortal Man, is there nothing you cannot be made to believe?Josef Goebbel, Minister of Popular Enlightenment and Propaganda
ADB, as i told Torn, i think Trillanes and Lim are heroes. The people who criticize them (whether pro- or anti-Arroyo) do so because they lost. These people are probably the same bunch who will praise them to high heavens if ever, as a result of their actions, they succeeded in taking over Malacanang. As far as that aspect (i.e. losing or winning) is concerned, i'd react in the same way. That's the Balimbing culture for you.
While they should be criticized for their Andres Bonifacio style rashness, i salute what they stand for and the fact that they took action on our behalf. That's more than can be said for the vast majority who would have enjoyed the fruits of their victory. I just hope they'd pay more attention to the execution aspect next time..
“Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago Friday filed an urgent resolution asking punitive action against Trillanes for leading the power grab Thursday at the Manila Peninsula Hotel in Makati.”GMA NEWS
For once,I agree with Lady Miriam.Senator Trillanes is not above the law!
BUT,may I ask Senator Miriam Defensor-Santiago ,How about GLORIA?
“No man (or woman) is above the law and no man is below it; nor do we ask any man’s permission when we ask him to obey it. Theodore Roosevelt”
How could so many scandals of an elected(?) president and her cadre remain unexplained, unchallenged, and unpunished? When? Probably never.
We’re not talking mistakes, here. We’re not talking poor judgment or failed policies. We’re not talking politics as usual, with its underhanded array of pork and perks. But we are talking about very serious violations of the public trust, and very possibly the law, perpetrated by the elected(?) leader of this nation and her handlers.
Even more amazingly, we are talking about the shameful reality that not a single one of these offenses has been investigated by a truly independent, non-political, neutral commission, armed with subpoena powers and adequate funding, and answerable ONLY to the people of Philippines. Not a single one.
What ever happened to the investigation of:
* The National Power Corp. (Napocor) -CPK-Kalayaan rehabilitation project.
* The race horse importation fiasco.
* The overpriced Diosdado Macapagal Boulevard exposé.
* Misuse of the fertilizer funds,
* The Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corp. scandals.
* The jueteng scandals.
* the ZTE-NBN scandal(”Buck off!”).
* The Bribery of Governors and Congressmen in Malacanang.
* The MOTHER of ALL SCANDALS :THE HELLO GARCI Mega Scandal that influenced the last Presidential elections.
* The Extra-Judicial Killings of Activists as reported by the United Nations special raporteur on human rights.
* And many more…
What’s left to be said? Not very much. Gloria Pidal has had a free pass to do as she pleased since 2001.She and her political operators have not been held accountable for any crime against the people of this country. Gloria is above the law.Why?
You still have a full month left to finish up your 2007 New Year’s Resolutions. Stop slacking.
Some suggested ones:
Gloria Pidal: "I will not only be cute and short.I will be honest"
Sergio Apostol(presidential legal counsel): I will believe,really believe that "No man (OR woman) is above the LAW!"
Lady Miriam: "I will not insult again the 1.3 billion Chinese.(My mother -in-law is also Chinese!)"
Iggy Arroyo(Pidal Junior): "I will stick to my domestic problems first before I open my mouth and talk nonsensically about the latest political headlines."
Mike (PIDAL Senior) :"I will buck off from government deals!"
Ronnie Puno:I will memorize this "Oh Mortal Man, is there nothing you cannot be made to believe?Josef Goebbel, Minister of Popular Enlightenment and Propaganda
Senator Trillanes: "I will accept the purification process.I will be patient as a young leader (Mandela stayed in prison for 26 years!). "
The question in this whole episode is: Where was everybody? It wasnt raining that hard. (Erap and Binay were in Quezon City on a medical mission. The rest, I dont know.) No one in the opposition even tried to mediate a peaceful resolution even if they didnt agree with Trillanes's methods. There wasnt even a threat of people power.
The whole thing reminds me of that movie The Rock. General Hummel said, "Our mission was based on the threat of force... We bluffed, they called. It's over." Trillanes and Lim surrendered when they were 'called'.
read your discussion with silent waters... It surely is a free cyberspace country :-). Like you, i sympathize and agree with what Trillanes and Lim stood for. Nasayangan lang ako dahil namukha talaga silang talo. People have a tendency to judge events more on the externals. I have to admit that I am one of those who just sit and wait...kaya I admire these people who acted despite the unpredictability of events. My criteria of heroes are those who dare to be unpopular and shake the very smug-ness of the status quo. Trillanes and Lim as well as the other individuals in Manila Pen (who really were there in all sincerity) to fit that category.
Hi Nutart, i'm also one of those who largely sit, wait and hope. By contrast, Trillanes and Lim took direct action on our behalf notwidthstanding the odds. As you said, that's what makes them heroes. As Nassim Nicolas Taleb, in talking about the values of the Stoics said:
"Recall that epic heroes were judged by their actions, not by the results. No matter how sophisticated our choices, how good we are at dominating the odds, randomness will have the last word. We are left only with dignity as a solution - dignity defined as the execution of a protocol of behavior that does not depend on the immediate circumstance."
Unfortunately, many of our countrymen judge people more by the outcomes of their actions rather than the principles that they fight for. The Balimbing phenomenon has been an integral part of Philippine history.
hi cvj, have you read mon casiple's analysis of the situation? I think it is quite revealing...and i (by gut feel) thinks he solved an enigma of the Pen siege!
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"I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality. This is why right, temporarily defeated, is stronger than evil triumphant."Martin Luther King Jr.
Curfew imposed in Manila and outlying areas.
Danilo Lim said that GMA "stole the presidency from Estrada".
Mike, technically Danilo Lim is right, GMA stole the Presidency from Erap, with the EDSA Dos' crowd help of course.
cvj – Perhaps my sense of irony is off tonight, but do you really consider Trillanes and Lim to be heroes? I didn’t mind them at the time of Oakwood (and the arrest of General Garcia soon after the coup demonstrated the truth of their central claim that the military is rotten to the core) but this latest stunt is just ridiculous.
I went down to the Peninsula this evening at about 6pm and as I looked at all the military hanging around Ayala, the military renegades still locked up in the hotel, and the retired military men in the Arroyo government, I thought soldiers have far too much say in this country. The army is about twice the size it needs to be and it is sticking its hands in places where it has no business at all. The AFP needs to be halved and it needs to be completely banished from public life. Let it concentrate on what it has manifestly failed to do over the past decade—controlling terrorist groups like the Abu Sayyaf.
Trillanes and his gang are just another side of the same grubby coin – their victory can only lead to even more militarization in the Philippines which is the last thing we need.
Hi Torn, no irony from me this time. I do believe they are heroes. If anything can be said against them this time, is that they did not seem to be fighting to win.
"SILENT" martial law in the Philippines !
* Curfew declared in Manila and outlying provinces.
* Journalists covering the event handcuffed and arrested.
* 50 Filipino and foreign journalists brought to police camp.
heroes? amazing ..
Yup, real live ones. Thanks for dropping by Rom.
"Danilo Lim said that GMA "stole the presidency from Estrada"."
This is even funnier. Lim and Trillanes might even be one of the many military men who joined the mass protest against Estrada.
Is this to cover up that the Philippines had made a big mistake by not finishing Erap's impeachment and rushing through 'people power'?
"Technically that is not an arrest(i.e.,mass arrests and handcuffing of journalists covering the Trillanes story). That is a processing," Interior and Local Government Secretary Ronaldo Puno said.
"Oh Mortal Man, is there nothing you cannot be made to believe?Josef Goebbel, Minister of Popular Enlightenment and Propaganda
Try and try until you succeed -- just might be an apt motto.
ADB, as i told Torn, i think Trillanes and Lim are heroes. The people who criticize them (whether pro- or anti-Arroyo) do so because they lost. These people are probably the same bunch who will praise them to high heavens if ever, as a result of their actions, they succeeded in taking over Malacanang. As far as that aspect (i.e. losing or winning) is concerned, i'd react in the same way. That's the Balimbing culture for you.
While they should be criticized for their Andres Bonifacio style rashness, i salute what they stand for and the fact that they took action on our behalf. That's more than can be said for the vast majority who would have enjoyed the fruits of their victory. I just hope they'd pay more attention to the execution aspect next time..
cvj,
I agree. But I will go against a junta.
And thanks for the plug
Same here MB. If ever a junta takes over, I'll probably remain in the Opposition until elections are called.
cvj,
They may not have won but they didn’t lose. There are no losers among those who fight for decency and justice.
“Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago Friday filed an urgent resolution asking punitive action against Trillanes for leading the power grab Thursday at the Manila Peninsula Hotel in Makati.”GMA NEWS
For once,I agree with Lady Miriam.Senator Trillanes is not above the law!
BUT,may I ask Senator Miriam Defensor-Santiago ,How about GLORIA?
“No man (or woman) is above the law and no man is below it; nor do we ask any man’s permission when we ask him to obey it. Theodore Roosevelt”
How could so many scandals of an elected(?) president and her cadre remain unexplained, unchallenged, and unpunished? When? Probably never.
We’re not talking mistakes, here. We’re not talking poor judgment or failed policies. We’re not talking politics as usual, with its underhanded array of pork and perks. But we are talking about very serious violations of the public trust, and very possibly the law, perpetrated by the elected(?) leader of this nation and her handlers.
Even more amazingly, we are talking about the shameful reality that not a single one of these offenses has been investigated by a truly independent, non-political, neutral commission, armed with subpoena powers and adequate funding, and answerable ONLY to the people of Philippines. Not a single one.
What ever happened to the investigation of:
* The National Power Corp. (Napocor) -CPK-Kalayaan rehabilitation project.
* The race horse importation fiasco.
* The overpriced Diosdado Macapagal Boulevard exposé.
* Misuse of the fertilizer funds,
* The Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corp. scandals.
* The jueteng scandals.
* the ZTE-NBN scandal(”Buck off!”).
* The Bribery of Governors and Congressmen in Malacanang.
* The MOTHER of ALL SCANDALS :THE HELLO GARCI Mega Scandal that influenced the last Presidential elections.
* The Extra-Judicial Killings of Activists as reported by the United Nations special raporteur on human rights.
* And many more…
What’s left to be said? Not very much. Gloria Pidal has had a free pass to do as she pleased since 2001.She and her political operators have not been held accountable for any crime against the people of this country. Gloria is above the law.Why?
You still have a full month left to finish up your 2007 New Year’s Resolutions. Stop slacking.
Some suggested ones:
Gloria Pidal: "I will not only be cute and short.I will be honest"
Sergio Apostol(presidential legal counsel): I will believe,really believe that "No man (OR woman) is above the LAW!"
Lady Miriam: "I will not insult again the 1.3 billion Chinese.(My mother -in-law is also Chinese!)"
Iggy Arroyo(Pidal Junior): "I will stick to my domestic problems first before I open my mouth and talk nonsensically about the latest political headlines."
Mike (PIDAL Senior) :"I will buck off from government deals!"
Ronnie Puno:I will memorize this "Oh Mortal Man, is there nothing you cannot be made to believe?Josef Goebbel, Minister of Popular Enlightenment and Propaganda
Senator Trillanes: "I will accept the purification process.I will be patient as a young leader (Mandela
stayed in prison for 26 years!). "
Any other suggestions?
The question in this whole episode is: Where was everybody? It wasnt raining that hard. (Erap and Binay were in Quezon City on a medical mission. The rest, I dont know.) No one in the opposition even tried to mediate a peaceful resolution even if they didnt agree with Trillanes's methods. There wasnt even a threat of people power.
The whole thing reminds me of that movie The Rock. General Hummel said, "Our mission was based on the threat of force... We bluffed, they called. It's over." Trillanes and Lim surrendered when they were 'called'.
read your discussion with silent waters...
It surely is a free cyberspace country :-). Like you, i sympathize and agree with what Trillanes and Lim stood for. Nasayangan lang ako dahil namukha talaga silang talo. People have a tendency to judge events more on the externals. I have to admit that I am one of those who just sit and wait...kaya I admire these people who acted despite the unpredictability of events. My criteria of heroes are those who dare to be unpopular and shake the very smug-ness of the status quo. Trillanes and Lim as well as the other individuals in Manila Pen (who really were there in all sincerity) to fit that category.
Hi Nutart, i'm also one of those who largely sit, wait and hope. By contrast, Trillanes and Lim took direct action on our behalf notwidthstanding the odds. As you said, that's what makes them heroes. As Nassim Nicolas Taleb, in talking about the values of the Stoics said:
"Recall that epic heroes were judged by their actions, not by the results. No matter how sophisticated our choices, how good we are at dominating the odds, randomness will have the last word. We are left only with dignity as a solution - dignity defined as the execution of a protocol of behavior that does not depend on the immediate circumstance."
Unfortunately, many of our countrymen judge people more by the outcomes of their actions rather than the principles that they fight for. The Balimbing phenomenon has been an integral part of Philippine history.
hi cvj,
have you read mon casiple's analysis of the situation? I think it is quite revealing...and i (by gut feel) thinks he solved an enigma of the Pen siege!
hi nutart, thanks for the pointer. yes i have read mon casiple's analysis. i also find his take interesting. in a way it parallel's what Randy David wrote last Saturday.
Thanks for the cite, cvj.
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